Those In The Tombs Will Hear His Voice

The word translated punishment in the New Testament scriptures, should usually read correction – like in 2 Peter 2:9 – https://biblehub.com/interlinear/2_peter/2-9.htm – the second part of which says, – “God knows how to preserve the unrighteous to be kept for correction upon ‘day’ of judgment.”

A “father” corrects, even should he punish. But I think the wrath of God, or punishment is by reaping as we sow, and by experiencing our own consequences, like Obadiah 16 says.

My own opinion is that the dead know nothing until as Jesus said, “all in the tombs will hear His voice and rise, some to the resurrection of life and some to the resurrection of judgment” ..and correction! (Jn.5:28) Even like we were corrected, which will be (surely?) their “Day of Atonement” (Lev.23) and reconciliation.

Therefore to me, there is no hell, and no holding place of any kind – except graves with headboards, or beds with gravestones, lol. Hades – “place of the dead” – still being the grave. And no unrepentant upon ‘day’ of judgment means, no ‘hell’, and no dregs of it (in my consciousness).

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Not Forever

The saved during this life will serve, thus reign with Jesus, during the millennium/”thousand years” after He returns at the last of the *Trumpets*. “But the rest of the dead live not again/rise not, until after the thousand years”.

So they will miss the millennium. It doesn’t say why. But it does say God will be “all in all” by His “making ALL things NEW”. The “resurrection to the judgment” may consist in all those having “died in their sins” rising still in their sins – initially – but we know Jesus will draw ALL to Himself, Jn.12:32.

“ALL in the tombs/grave will hear His voice and rise, some to the resurrection of Life, and some to the resurrection of judgment” and “correction” (according to the Greek, translated to read punishment, rather than the Fatherly “correction”) – their *’Day’ of Atonement* and reconciliation, which is prefigured by Israel’s national Day of Atonement (of Lev.23). I think of it as DOA for the (initially! not the fabled ‘forever’) doa. The second resurrection will catch up to the first one. Surely? Because Love will rule supreme in ALL hearts. And God Himself “will *Tabernacle* with (all) mankind upon Earth made new” (Revelation 21:1-5).

 

Is Sheol Really Hell?

As you probably know, the study apps and programs – as far as I know – don’t work well for copy and pasting the interlinear word for word of verses, so I look for the closest translation (available) to copy/paste.

As we know, the word translated by King James’ translators (and others?) as hell in the OT, was “sheol”.

According to the OT “all go to one place” (Ecclesiastes 3:19-20). Psalm 89:48 says, “What man can live and never see death? Who can deliver his soul from the power of Sheol?”

Job said “oh if only you, LORD, would hide me in sheol” (Job 13:14). When Jacob thought Joseph was killed by wild animals, he said “I will go down to sheol grieving..” To a subterranean  basement? Or “I will go to my grave grieving”..?

Ecclesiastes 9:10 says (suggests? no, lol) “All that your hand finds to do, with your power do, for there is no work, and device, and knowledge, and wisdom in Sheol where you (we, all) are going.” Youngs Literal Version

I thought I would look at the verbs of the verse –

No work – from H4639 – maaseh – “a deed, work.. translated as no accomplishing, achieving, activity, deeds, actions, etc.” — From “asah” – H6213 – “accomplish, do, make” —– No doing? in sheol.

No device – H2808 – cheshbon – “reckoning, account” –  No reckoning?!

No knowledge – H1847 – daath – “knowledge” — From “yada” H3045 – “to know” —- Is this where that annoying yada, yada, yada comes from?

And, no wisdom – H2451 – chokmah – “wisdom” — From H2449 – chakam – “to be wise”

The words with links interlinear on biblehub –
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/ecclesiastes/9-10.htm

If They Listen Not To Moses

In the Old Testament “Sheol” was the place of the dead.

Whatever you find to do with your hands, do it with all your might, for in Sheol, where you are going, there is no work or planning or knowledge or wisdom.” Ecclesiastes 9:10

O LORD, You pulled me up from Sheol. You spared me from descending into the Pit. Sing to the LORD, O you His saints, and give thanks to His holy name.. ..I was dismayed. To You, O LORD, I called and I begged my Lord for mercy: ‘What gain is in the shedding of my blood, in my descent to the Pit? Will the DUST praise You? Will it proclaim Your faithfulness? Hear me, O LORD, and have mercy; O LORD, be my helper.'” Psalm 30:3,8-10

The rest of the Psalm:

You turned my mourning into dancing. You turned my sackcloth and mourning into joy, that my heart may sing Your praises and not be silent. O LORD my God, I will give thanks forever.” Psalm 30:11-12

From what was the Psalmist saved?

“..The soul that sins shall die.” Ezekiel 18:4

As time passed, even the Hebrews began to absorb the ideas of the (other) nations. Especially the Pharisees of Jesus’ day. In all likelihood, Jesus spoke Aramaic, the language of Israel, but later Sheol, had become “Hades” which originally was “the place of the dead“. But over time legend became attached to the word.

Now, when we read that Jesus descended to the lower part of the Earth, we no longer believe that to be into the dust of the grave.. And when we read He went via the Spirit to preach to the souls of Noah’s day, “who were disobedient while the ark was being prepared/built” – which building took one hundred years – we are used to assuming He went to ‘hell’ and preached to the dead, rather than went via the Spirit to them while the ark was being built. (Ephesians 4:9; 1 Peter 3:20)

Speaking of the ancient city of Tyre, now its stones covered by the sea, Ezekiel 26:19-21 says “For thus says the Lord GOD, When I make you a desolate city, like the cities which are not inhabited, when I bring up the deep over you and the great waters cover you, then I will bring you down with those who go down to the pit, to the people of old, and I will make you dwell in the lower parts of the earth, like the ancient waste places, with those who go down to the pit, so that you will not be inhabited; but I will set glory in the land of the living. I will bring terrors on you and you will be no more; though you will be sought, you will never be found again,’ declares the Lord GOD“.

O LORD, You pulled me up from Sheol! You spared me from descending into the Pit. Sing to the LORD, O you His saints!

Translated to read ‘hell’ – sheol, pit, hades, Gehenna, and tartarus. Gehenna is the valley where the fiery Armageddon is prophesied to occur. (A lake of fire tares gather to?) And the Greek word tartarus, like hades, the original likely became corrupted by legend and myth, but likely meant “deepest darkness” (the abyss/bottomless pit of Revelation 9:1-3? The pit of potential which disobedience and imperfection is? Translated as “sin” which is from a Greek word meaning “missing the mark” – since God is life (itself, surely?) and He “is perfect“, it makes sense that “the soul that sins shall die” and “the wages of sin is death”.

So how did all get to be imperfect? And indeed we were all born that way. Perhaps in lieu of programming us all like robots, He is programming us, writing His law – which ultimately is love – upon our hearts and minds, via this journey through the “valley of the shadow of death“. It being an unavoidable lesson. Unavoidable, unless we are to be mechanically programmed at birth, with no reasoning and choice ability whatsoever?

Therefor I have always been a little puzzled by the Lord’s parable about “Lazarus and the rich man” where Lazarus dies and is carried by angels to heaven, and the rich man dies and goes to a hell like region. It finally dawned on me to specifically pray and ask the Lord about it.

What I realized is He had been directing the parable towards the Pharisees. (Luke 16:14-31)

And dig this! He concluded with, verses 30-31, the rich man said, “if someone is sent to them from the dead, they will repent.” But Father Abraham said to him, “If they do not listen to Moses and the prophets, they will not be persuaded even if someone rises from the dead”!

A State Of Happiness

In the study of Bible topics, it’s important (surely?) to take into account all verses concerning the topic.

I’ve finally come to a summary of what I think death and dead is.

The word, dead is translated from the Greek word nekros. Which means “to lack life”.

But Jesus said God is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and is the God of the living, not of the dead, implying these fathers are alive.

When Jesus was told of Lazarus’s death, He said he was sleeping.

Paul wrote about Christians “asleep in Christ”.

I now feel I can say the believing dead are in a state of happiness, each with different degrees perhaps, as it’s truth that sets free and we all have a mingling of true and untrue in our beliefs?

And that this state of happiness is somewhere between deep sleep to …? I lean toward a pleasant sleeping. With all those millions of passed on not yet saved folks, being in a deep sleep. That would be my, hopefully, biblically based theory.

I have loved ones who believe a lost loved one visits them, in dreams and perhaps even not in dreams. Would I ever suggest different? Not on your life! God is gracious. God is kind! “Mercy trumps judgment”!

Have a Great Day!

Genesis

There used to be a teaching, and perhaps still is in some quarters, that Earth was previously inhabited and destroyed, and thus is what is meant by “it was empty and void”. Now if we look up the original Hebrew words used, it may be far different than we believe. If I remember right the meanings are something like void and pointless.

But today I was thinking of how He set everything in motion. And how that motion is right down to each person’s life, and this exorcising of choices not in line with His will, being allowed to exist and play out. All of that set into motion, so that all humanity is learning to understand good from evil, which is life from death, non-life.

But when it was “empty and void” it was not yet set in motion.

Also the second account of the creation of man and woman, is only an insert providing more information. Not the creation of new folks as opposed to old folks. Remember how the New Testament says all people came from Adam? And how they all came from, and have “one blood”?

I was also pondering this, because He is life (surely? “In the beginning God” so what else would be the vitality and force of life? The source of all intelligence, and everything good.) Because He is life, did He have to create a ‘space’ of nonlife, sort of, in order to create matter? Idk.. it made sense at the time, lol. And that place was “empty and void”?

The thing is, it’s not beyond logic that there could have been another habitation of the Earth, the fall into imperfection also engineered, or I suppose occurring – like it took God by surprise or something?

And yet without His intervention, it all self destructed in their own inevitable apocalypse.

So this is perfectly plausible, in a sense, but my thought is, would God, who “is love” be okay with losing all those people? Since He is life, He lives through it all. Surely? (And of course, because He “is perfect”, imperfection is the opposite of life.)

You see the dilemma of creating rational creatures?

Well, thanks for putting up with my speculations. I’m not, as a rule, very interested in speculations about God’s Word, but I sure am crazy about His Word. Truth brings GREAT joy. Yes?